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Joe Hopkins
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The study said the side effects included "pain, feeling feverish, chills, muscle ache, headache, and malaise." That doesn't sound minor, especially when you see that participants were given a gram of acetaminophen every six hours for 24 hours after the injection of the vaccine to reduce fever, headaches, or muscle aches. Of course, given a choice between getting COVID-19 or dealing with a headache and a little fever, most people would gladly choose the latter. However, the fact that the side effects were largely glossed over made some wonder whether researchers are being overly optimistic about the vaccine's outcome.

To be fair, other recent COVID-19 vaccine candidates have shown similar side effects. Nearly all phase 2 test subjects given mRNA-1273, a candidate from Moderna (NASDAQ:MRNA), exhibited fatigue, fever, muscle aches, and headache.

Another, arguably larger reason for the drop in AstraZeneca's stock is that the pharmaceutical company is competing against so many other vaccine candidates. Partners BioNTech (NASDAQ:BNTX) and Pfizer (NYSE:PFE), for instance, also announced phase 1/2 clinical results for their vaccine candidate on Monday, though they did so via a preprint (without peer review) rather than in a peer-reviewed journal. Moderna's most recent phase 1/2 results came out last week in a New England Journal of Medicine report. 

Still a good stock, with or without a vaccine

Vaccines normally take up to 10 to 15 years to produce, not months. Things are rushing forward at light speed because of the worldwide necessity for a coronavirus vaccine, but it's equally possible that multiple candidates will be successful or that none of them will work in the real world. Despite our best efforts, we still don't have vaccines for malaria, HIV, or tuberculosis. 

Another potential concern is that while AZD1222 has been shown to produce antibodies, it hasn't been proven yet whether those antibodies will prevent the virus from hitting healthy cells -- or, if so, for how long. The vaccine works by mimicking the spike protein used by COVID-19 to infect cells. The hope is that after being vaccinated, the body's immune system will recognize the spike protein and swiftly mount its defense.

More encouraging, perhaps, is that the vaccine elicited a T-cell response, which should stimulate the immune system to attack cells infected by the virus.
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Winson Liong
few days ago there is news to aware small investors not to get trapped with current selling trend...
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Winson Liong
many experts in the news already warn la.... I think more news is coming next week...
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Winson Liong
I cant denied that Malaysia glove sector monopoly the glove market in the world, exporting more than 65% of gloves compared to usage... it is true... even shark earn money from gloves counter, they might loss making in other counter,,, UK down,,,us also down... they need the money to save their own counter also ler... and government of Malaysia can't do much ...
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Winson Liong
everyone gt their own choice.... but I join in after the price is stable... at least not now.... ride with the wave is better than fighting the phenomenon...
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Winson Liong
and Malaysia counter is based on goreng....unless some group is pumping nin money to push up the share price...if not small retailer will afraid and sell low...
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Winson Liong
happy trading everyone... juz remember do not use bank borrowing to invest in share market....
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Joey Lim
winson erm mayb we r in different view la, for me n terrence i think both of us r more on fundamental, we do research , n from ur side is more on news, like refer those analyst , bt erm i do agree vaccine news will impact on glove for temporary, bt it jz news , for the long run it will still rely on the qr earning n etc
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Winson Liong
if those shark not pushing the price to the top... how can they lure small retailer to get in and keep on support the ceiling..? now is economic downtrend everywhere... if the overall market performance is good... these sure will upup...
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Ray Looi
I believe after Covid-19 end !! ASP sure will reduce but who know when Covid end ?
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Winson Liong
vaccine for have any impact for glove ler... even there is vaccine... the demand for gloves will still remain... now gloves and mask has already become the new normal for everyone...
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Winson Liong
vaccine won't have any impact*
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Darren Chong
In the end, depend on individual strategy whether as value investor or trader
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Winson Liong
simple as that lo... if u think will up then go for call warrant,,, or else can consider for put warrant...
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Ray Looi
@Winson if u based on share price to invest I tell u..u just a kid ;) How come Nestle share price can go over Rm 100? Common sense pls and for those who say supermax overvalued!! Hello ! wake up? Do u think supermax upcoming QR PAT will be maintain 400m or below 400m?
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Darren Chong
Demand for glove always have long time ago , it just not many people notice or focus on glove company
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Ray Looi
Or just slightly increase 5% or 10%
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Master Lee
buy bank better, talk too much.
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Master Lee
5% buy gloves, 20%buy bank to hedge.
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Ken
Lol of course there is demand for gloves prior covid, medical line use gloves ... lol
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Winson Liong
kawan.... ur comparing nestle with glove.... nestle total share capital is only 32b and superman share capital is 24m... is the total capital affect the unit share price... unit share reflect the performance of the Company...
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Winson Liong
compare the number of share between these 2 companies and u will get a clearer picture.... do not every think unit share price is the big boss...
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Winson Liong
performance will affect the total capital of the company...which is the value... not by unit share price....kawan ray ooi...a company can issue another 1billion of new share,,, then u think the unit share price will dilute or?
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Winson Liong
then u think supermax value how much in term of total capital? not by unit share price.
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Winson Liong
nestle currently 32b
superman currently 24b
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Ray Looi
Oi pls think the main reason for Nestle share why keep on going up?
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Winson Liong
go back and study the share market la... we need to see other than the profit after tax... there is a lot to consider when investing a share.... like the cash position... debt level... all that bla bla bla...
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Ray Looi
Let say ..if Nestle revenue and PAt every quarter also dropping ..Do u think the price still can maintain at rm 130?
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Winson Liong
.... nestle will definitely go back to 150...it takes time...
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LYL
What Winson said is right lah, my friend. If u have bought, of course u can’t really accept those comment that bash down the counter. But I believe glove will be 1 last push by end of sept to really high price than before,normally 1 month earlier before the qr release. Then u will ride the momentum and make a good profit from its. After end of 2020 I will not enter glove counters anymore, because share market is acting forward looking 6 months earlier than the reality.
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Ray Looi
If supermax upcoming quarter PAT and revenue also keep on increasing..do u believe supermax price still maintain at 17 or even dropping furthermore?
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Winson Liong
hey dude... I'm not bashing the glove counter.... that just my 2 cents.... after what happened on this week...
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Winson Liong
u wan nestle to drop then easy lo... u ask ur fren who work in nestle to add some toxic to their product... then after one week RM 100...
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Winson Liong
after one month rm75....
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Winson Liong
then u all in nestle... after half a year it will grow back to 150
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Winson Liong
Malaysia share market is goreng without fundamental. if not why the up and down is so significant?
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LYL
I told u d, glove counter will be 1 last push to really super high but not now so soon. Will be end of sept til early of October. I will take this as my last chance to big earn in glove counter. When the glove average selling price start dropping, no wonder how good for upcoming qr I will not enter anymore.
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Winson Liong
but I understand u also... Mr ray... I think u place money on gloves counter when it is dropping....
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Winson Liong
if I am shark... I will wait the share price to go 20 or below... then only goreng...
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Winson Liong
sorry 20 is for topglove... for superman will be around 15*
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Winson Liong
and if u say performance based... that is correct... then how about carepls? from from 5 to 3... in few days times... carepls is performing better also...
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Terrence Here
LYL is true after end of 2020, glove counter will be retracing back for sure. Share market is not a place to all in and all out bro. I did TP half of my holding week back then. Now batch by batch re-enter for the next wave. Beside I do think glove counter worth the price now in few years time. TP bankers give never for short term.
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Winson Liong
dun tell ppl that carepls is loss making money that why the share price keep dropping like waterfall...
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Terrence Here
Btw the beer demand is same in next 100 years... and I pretty sure it’s not a good thing for a beer company.
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Ray Looi
Haha..thanks for info and i also dk why bat can drop so much
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Winson Liong
Malaysia technical analysis doesnt work lor... last time say hlt could hit RM 1... then shoot to RM 3... then now dropping back...
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Ray Looi
@Winson also rmb tell ppl that price only all the way go up without correction;)
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Winson Liong
believe in urself is always better than those so called analyser
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Winson Liong
Mr ray please all in on Monday... I hope glove counter will up...
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Winson Liong
Profit and loss is not the main concern to determine the value of a company....have to take at the financial position....
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Terrence Here
Yes there’s no way share price can go all the way up without correction. No banker will have ultimate cash to push. It’s good to see now foreign fund is coming back to absorb the shares banker throwing now. Soon bankers will have tons of cash in hand. And they will need to reinvest them. And high chance it would be glove counters.
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Winson Liong
foreign fund coming back because uk and US did not perform well le...
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Winson Liong
FYI UK is worse than Malaysia.... the recession is higher....
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Winson Liong
foreign market down, they sure retreat and cari makan in malaysia lor... Malaysia style always follow when there is huge volume...
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Terrence Here
Winston yes and it’s a good sign for malaysia market.
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Winson Liong
but,,,, who will know when they will taking the action...
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Terrence Here
Winson you’re right but think about it cari makan in malaysia, and what’s the best business now in malaysia. Think about it. Haha 2 cents.
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Winson Liong
maybe I said too much lor... but this situation something related to my profession..... so I talk too.much.... if 得罪多多包涵
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Winson Liong
if they wan to goreng... then up lor... if they dun wan goreng ..gg also
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Terrence Here
Winson... if you may go check Bursa daily report you will find foreign fund is coming in this week.
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Terrence Here
Winson it’s okay, every one have different opinion bro. It’s good to see here people sharing different opinion. We always learnt from each other.
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Winson Liong
ya... foreign fund coming in for the last few days....oversea market nis getting worse... malaysia consider still ok...mainly is covid... Malaysian did a good job back there...
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Terrence Here
True... proud to be a Malaysian. Really did a great job during this pandemic.
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Joey Lim
yuppp learning from each others is the main key to success, no point to quarrel haha
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Winson Liong
the great show of Malaysia is yet to come.... do you know the corruption is getting higher......
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Joey Lim
terrence I'm thinking the same things as u regarding on foreign investor and banker haha
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Winson Liong
definitely won't so fast one. wait for another week.
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Terrence Here
Winson credit to be given for what they did during this pandemic. Haha
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Terrence Here
Yesss won’t be fast, its just started.
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Terrence Here
冰心 haha just my 2 cents.
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Winson Liong
....I bought some put warrant....hz for superman and topglove and already let go all mother share yesterday itself.
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Winson Liong
not buy or sell call... but grab some put warrant if u think it will fall... but dun buy in huge volume... or those shark will trap you....remember...
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Joey Lim
terrence u too modest ad la haha , i do learn a lot from u
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Terrence Here
Bankers can’t sell too fast as the price will shoot down too fast then their selling price won’t be looking good. Same as foreign fund, can’t collect too fast... Now is like push and pull, just wait and see. Haha 2 cents.
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Terrence Here
Winson yes for the price now Put warrant is a good hedging tool. I guess that’s what bankers thought too hahaha. Just see who can run faster. Hahahahaha
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Terrence Here
冰心 glad I can help. Haha
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Ray Looi
Yup..everyone have different opinion..there is no right or wrong
And sorry I will never all in no matter how confident I am for glove counter..it’s all about risk management!
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Joey Lim
i saw from my group discussion which i think it make sense la , banker is playing push n pull back , it purposely sell down to kill all those margin and contra player, and it will buy back which we cn c after the big drop thn it goes up slightly , lure those short term investors come back again , thn continue kill them all agn , and for now mostly all dying hopes, banker may continue plying all tis tricks tgt wif those news publish
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Winson Liong
the drop has juz begun... rising for half a year... then drop for one week.. all cry father cry mother d... when up no one complain...
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Joey Lim
winson ya haha , when up all shouting all in haha , ini kalilah, thn when drop , glove counter is gone , vaccine coming in , dump glove stock erm haha
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Winson Liong
not steady la... mental muz be strong...
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Winson Liong
dun put too much expectation....
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Terrence Here
Winson it’s not rising half year straight. Been gone through 2 big correction with many small corrections. But yes negative thoughts and comments keep coming when it’s drop. Money is yours, do your own risk management. Haha
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Winson Liong
but now the impact bis getting worse... even those 2nd and 3rd tier glove also highly affected .. like those carepls, hlt,lol so on...
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Winson Liong
last time only big 4... not mini 4 also affected ler...
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Winson Liong
now mini 4*
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Winson Liong
and many sifu in 2nd and 3rd tier healthcare sector keep asking the follwoer to buy
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Winson Liong
those sifu stay on aeroplane ler... asking more ppl to jump with him...they dun wan to be lonely...
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Terrence Here
Hahahaha mini 4 got impacted also bro. Comfort from RM4 retraced to Rm2.5, careplus from RM1.8 to below RM1. Ruberex same as comfort on June. Those HLT and so it’s because pure goreng with no fundamental and they are shoot up too fast and too high. Btw who knows, before that careplus also no fundamental.
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Terrence Here
Winson no comment to all sifus. Haha I did learn a lot from one of them. Haha
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Joey Lim
hlt is really dangerous , up until sky level with no fundamental , last time i got buy , earn little i dump ad erm
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Winson Liong
ya wor.. dropped much also....soon will hit the bottom And get back again
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Winson Liong
wait at bottom then grab again
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Winson Liong
the retracement for this season shud be longer in period....
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Terrence Here
Winson yes, in bull shares. The second correction is always longer than the first correction. Because when price higher, more difficult to manipulate.
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Winson Liong
ya... drop slowly.....
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Joe Hopkins
I don't have any opinion whether gloves is sustainable or not. This is not something anyone can forecast reliably considering the very fluid situation of vaccines.

Near term, and I have look deeper into the trials of many vaccine makers, many have reported symptoms like fever, nausea which they dismissed as minor. I agree with the expert who written that these are not actually minor issues especially it has to be administered to millions and billions.
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Joe Hopkins
There will be a number of people who will have more extreme reaction than just fever nausea, and sore shoulder as reported by the Russian vaccine participants. The last week is dominated by vaccine news which to many is nothing more than just an extent of the arms race between major powers. Nothing concrete has taken place.

Back to gloves, many has expected a vaccine not to roll out till mid year, this has fueled the share price. If my analysis is correct, and the expected time line
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Joe Hopkins
is intact, then I have strong confidence gloves will rebound.
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Joe Hopkins
Some have pointed out that during H1N1 there was alot of claims back and forth that they are so close to a vaccine. At last, it took much longer to materialised.
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Winson Liong
rebound but takes time
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