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大家先冷静,分析一下这个proposal的大纲:
(1)这个proposal 对fintec在31/3/2021 的 financial report不会有太大的影响,所以近期股价应该不会有太大的浮动,股价会因为这个新闻起的概率比较高。

(2)fintec在31/3/2020的net asset per share 是0.470,还没算上这几个漂亮的qr,所以现在fintec股价真正的价值至少是在0.8 以上的

(3)fintec 公司根据31/3/2020 本身公司的价值 保守估计未来(这个proposal完成后,全部right issue 和warrant 和esos 和icps 转换为ordinary shares),
(i)在对公司最差的情况下(没人买right issue ,esos那些;公司director自己购入1500万shares的情况)na per share (股价价值)是0.260;
(ii)正常的情况下,公司股价的价值是0.160;
(iii)在对公司最好的情况下(全部proposal 完成率是100%),本身股价价真正的价值至少是0.150 (0.150是算最低了,第一点这个proposal是按照fintec今年三月公司的net asset 来算的,第二点那些proposals 的完成率 个人预测在50%左右,要知道不可能每个人都买right issue ,convert warrant 去股票,30% esos 以及icps也不可能完全转化的)

(4)公司不打算卖focus 的股票 反而打算投资更多在focus,另外也提到focus最近的大型project MICE,需要超过1亿的资金在kl市中心建立the arch

(5)fintec 为了避免公司的前景太过依赖投资其他公司,所以觉得拥有自己的生意会更理想(pdf里面有说到手套业和饮食业的前景,马来西亚的经济状况,公司进入新的行业的风险)

(6)right issue price(公司用0.080 per share 来说明)会根据 ex-all price 的5days vwap为基础,公司有权去调整issue price (0-50%的折扣),也就说是未来的股价价格越高,right issue price越高。

(7)proposal 后真正的number of shares 还不了解,要看shareholders的配合程度,以及icps和esos的情况。

right issue 的性质是公司给予现在的股东一个权利去购买更多公司的股票(通常是比市值低的价格),所以建议那些选择留守fintec的人去购买,若不购买,你会失去这个福利;假设你的average买价是0.160 然后right issue price 是0.080(同样的数量),购买的人新的average会是0.120(还没算warrant),如果选择不买的人average 价格还会是一样0.160。在这边建议,如果不买的话,还是把现在hold着的票卖会更好。

另外每购买5个right issue就会送4个warrant,也就是说每购买一个right issue 送0.8个warrant. 这个warrant要在issue 后的3年按照exercise price换去母股,不然会报销。warrant本身是跟fintec wa wb 一样在bursa trade的。warrant 会很很像bonus issue 这样,通常ex date 过后就可交易了;一般来说,是会一部分有人马上出warrant 来套现的,可是真正投资他的人会看局势选择要不要换成ordinary shares;right issues的购买 应该跟以前没什么差别,要邮寄 (白表格+买stamp duty+附上bank draft )给fintec 公司,也可以通过atm去认购,或者通过e-portal去认购,有关资料可以参考下方Ou-y朋友放出来的网址

(8)所以在还没有真正announce 更具体的细节前,大家不必慌张,相反的fintec进攻手套业是一个对刺激股价非常重要的新闻,而且fintec 这个proposal让我感觉是准备了很久很详细的proposal,不会是空谈。但是我们投资者还是要谨慎投资,必须自己先了解:

(a) fintec进入新的行业的风险(1.6亿的资金进入手套业)
(b) fintec其他投资有没有失败过的经验
(c) shares dilution 对散户的后果(别的我不说,proposal结束后fintec 股票的数量会多达30亿以上,对我来说,这个对股价的影响十分重要)
(d) fintec没有所谓的大股东去支撑和维持股价
(e) 管理层一直不断raise equity,这个地方对shareholder很不利
(f)手套业的趋势正在逐渐降低,也许对股价的刺激没有想象中那么大
(g) fintec邀请管理fintec glove的人才极为重要,要了解现在泰国和中国在进军手套业,虽然马来西亚拥有极大的本土优势,可是还是要谨慎。

还有很多因素我们需要考虑,切记买卖要有策略,最好分批买进和卖出比较安全,选择投资长期的朋友,相信fintec前景的朋友,也不妨考虑以上这些因素做打算(大家有时间的话能进去proposal 里面看看手套市场和饮食的成长和前景,有人summarize给你们看,多了解对以后买其他股票也还算蛮不错的)

看法:

First, I think fintec only suitable for short term players and long term investors, not for mid term, short term players should focus on the price before ex-date, as long as the company announce right issue, they need money and hence they will push up the price that they could; long term investors invest on its future, but I feel complicated about glove industry and also FOCUS which is currently overvalued. To be honest, I am short/mid term players, I will sell the shares no matter how and also I feel that there are too much of uncertainties entering into new market. However, it’s quite safe that fintec currently is undervalued so much that it have the potential to grow in the future. Also, from the RI (2014&2017), fintec share price have about 100%++ increment in short term after announcing RI, but soon it drop back to its original price (maybe after exdate, i don’t investigate much about the drop of the share price as I am not a long term player yah)

What I can recommended for short term players, it’s safer to set few target prices and sell in parts (reminder: the share price fluctuations will be quite high); for long term investors, I believe FOCUS will boost up further in the future, and also FINTEC GLOVE is only worth 160m but FOCUS worth more 1.1billion for fintec, so it will not cause going concern issue for fintec even that this proposal is failed, but fintec will have a bright future If this proposal is success, however, also beware of the habit of fintec management which like to raise equity ( I feel ok for the action of right issue and also icps but I don’t like esos from fintec, it’s too much and not transparency enough)
Again, the decision making is depending on you.
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Thomas Tang
Tq bro !!!!!!!!
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Yuron Long
2014 Mar and 2017 Oct Right Issue implementations are not negatively affecting the price, instead share price was climbing up after few days. Some people worry just because others said it is bad, not out of their own investigation. And TQ very much for the 分析.
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Jason Lim
Thanks for sharing
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Nihguoy Ou-y
Tee John, thx for sharing.
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Nihguoy Ou-y
Tee John, do you teach ?
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Follow Jack Jeeper
thanks for sharing
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Roy Ng
Nice sharing bro.
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Xue Shenlye
Thanks for sharing.
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時崎結城
确实fintec股价是严重低估,全部shares converted的话价钱价钱也会起,也有可能会有人要right issues所以买进。但是严重dilute eps是不争的事实,subscribe right issue的股东可能还没有那么伤,如果到时的esos的价钱和现在差不多那现在还是便宜票。。。

说不失望是假的,当初入这股正是因为看他没一直esos,股票数量少,结果一来就30%,1:2right issue。。。

公司经济模式还是非常看好的,希望这次第一次也是最后一次吧
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Gan Chee Pang
如果持有fintech到时候right issue我们就必须付款购买warrant对吗?如何不要的话就卖掉母股票,是这样吗?
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Nihguoy Ou-y
送的warrant其實在什麼時候才可以賣出去
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tee john
我在上面回你们了 pang ou-y
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Gan Chee Pang
谢谢 tee jogn. 看明白了
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Nihguoy Ou-y
Tee John, 送的warranty通常在多久後才會開始交易?正常情況來看,很多人會從free warrant那裡cash out對嗎?如果不想等它成熟。如果你有時間,可以分享下購買Right的程序嗎?
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Nihguoy Ou-y
8(c), 以目前股價來看,完成整個計畫後股價至少在0.06對嗎?如果再跌的話,那會更加低。
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Goh 288
我猜(因为只能猜)短期内会比现价高,直至完成计划。建厂需要很多钱,问题是如果我没有钱,ri就得让给别人。即将出现新一代大股东
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James Cheah
tee 想了解如何购买right issue price, 我是在Rakuten上个月入场买的 是买了自动变right issue呢 还是得透过什么方式去购买 谢谢
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Nihguoy Ou-y
Tee大哥,就麻煩你了做個解釋。感恩
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tee john
关于right issue和warrant 的东西我在上面增加解释了,我本人也不太了解现在有没有computerise; ou-y,如果按照目前股价,是的会在0.06左右;如果按照现在真正的股价价值会在0.2以上
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ho young
请问有说几时会确定吗?几时会实行?
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tee john
没有,只是announce 这个proposal 罢了
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Jun Meng Low
我用rakuten的,会有差别吗?还有如果right issue 送warrant,拿到warrant 要怎么做?我新手对这些不明白,建议放掉手上的票么?
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Nihguoy Ou-y
我在網上找到這,可以通過ATM完成
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tee john
应该没有关系到交易平台的,warrant是凭证,可以在bursa malaysia交易的,就像是目前fintec wa wb,fintec发放凭证的种类是可以让你用一定的exercise price 换取ordinary shares
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tee john
谢谢ou-y,我也是在学习中,大家互相学习吧
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Jun Meng Low
我完全对warrant 一窍不通,还什么转母股或过期。 有什么需要注意的么?
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tee john
warrant issue后的3年内一定要转换为ordinary shares,不然会完全失去价值,更详细的资料你可以去proposal的3.2section 了解
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Nihguoy Ou-y
謝謝tee大哥的解釋
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Jun Meng Low
谢谢 tee john 的讲解
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tee john
不过根据以前的数据,股价会大起几天,然后马上冲着下来,你们自己要小心
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Jesica Olivia
Right issue 有好有坏 要知道management 不是拿right issue 的钱来还债 而是拓展业务 而且通常在right issue 之前 有几率会被炒起来因为股价越高 表示凑到的钱也会越多 所以他们应该不会让股价掉过0.14 or 0. 15 但是也要看市场的情绪跟对management的可信度如何
希望拜一不会跌太多 不然也不会有人要去subscribe他的right issue
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Nihguoy Ou-y
高放低買吧,大家加油
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時崎結城
jeniffer说得对,right issue其实还好,毕竟股票持有者可以subscribe,不会亏,外面的人反而想买照成股票上涨。同时也是看投资者信不信任管理层。

比较担心的是esos,达到30%。我没有读到很细,大约看过,esos一个人不会达到10%,会有esos监督委员会。我比较担心esos是担心管理层会自己发股给自己,不过esos几年后才会有,短期内没影响,担心未来股票辛辛苦苦涨了一堆esos跑出来套利。也不清楚esos的股量。

不过esos right issue怎样都比private placement来得好就是
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wilson wong
我买在0.17 要 如果没有要买他的right issue 应该卖掉吗?
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時崎結城
建议买但是作为小股东,有股东不买我会很开心 哈哈哈
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炳阀
什么是esos?有没有大神解释一下
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James Cheah
炳: esos is employee stock option. 工作人员可以买低于市场的票 再卖 通常是奖励员工用的 至少在我的公司是这样
martin: ya propose only
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Sky Blue
各有各说法 都不知道谁是鬼
看戏看戏
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ho young
Hopefully will fly.but i saw it kgroup also right issue ,the price was drop...
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Adam Saw
Tee John, appreciate yr detail analysis. what is he impact on the current icps?send foor conversion or hold status quo. rges
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Yuron Long
hwa yong, KGROUP announced RI on 27 May 2013, share price had a sharp jump after 1 week and a downward trend after EX date. Second RI announcement, 15 Mar 2017, share price was relatively stable until EX date where it had an upward trend. For FINTEC, share price jumped almost 12% right after RI announcement. Second announcement observed no significant change in price until the EX date where it was in upward trend. IMHO, based your buy-sell call on RI alone is highly inappropriate. There are many other factors need to be considered.
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Feng Leng
mercury write similar report for AT, gocean and gpa
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tee john
First, I think fintec only suitable for short term players and long term investors, not for mid term, short term players should focus on the price before ex-date, as long as the company announce right issue, they need money and hence they will push up the price that they could; long term investors invest on its future, but I feel complicated about glove industry and also FOCUS which is currently overvalued. To be honest, I am short/mid term players, I will sell the shares no matter how and also I feel that there are too much of uncertainties entering into new market. However, it’s quite safe that fintec currently is undervalued so much that it have the potential to grow in the future. Also, from the RI (2014&2017), fintec share price have about 100%++ increment in short term after announcing RI, but soon it drop back to its original price (maybe after exdate, i don’t investigate much about the drop of the share price as I am not a long term player yah)

What I can recommended for short term players, it’s safer to set few target prices and sell in parts (reminder: the share price fluctuations will be quite high); for long term investors, I believe FOCUS will boost up further in the future, and also FINTEC GLOVE is only worth 160m but FOCUS worth more 1.1billion for fintec, so it will not cause going concern issue for fintec even that this proposal is failed, but fintec will have a bright future If this proposal is success, however, also beware of the habit of fintec management which like to raise equity ( I feel ok for the action of right issue and also icps but I don’t like esos from fintec, it’s too much and not transparency enough)
Again, the decision making is depending on you.
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Adam Saw
the proposed righte mentioned0.08 per share.. this is just an arvitary figure, right? final price to be fixed, ya?
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tee john
Yes, Adam you are correct
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